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 Post subject: Re: PH series 3 definitly cancelled...DDM going back to blind?
PostPosted: 01/22/10 1:35:09 pm 
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I never called 4e WoW. However, one of my players, who is an avid WoW player with lots of maxed out characters, guild involvement, and who participates in massive raids, says that 4e is a lot like WoW.

I never heard the four groups called that before the advent of MMORPGs. None of the DMs I played under used that terminology, and it was not a given that fighter was just going to sit and soak damage directed at the mage, while the thief sneaks around and deals lots and lots of DPS. Either we were more creative than normal, or the terminology (and style of play) wasn't as widespread as you think.

Re: ROLE playing. Do you think a player who has no social skills whatsoever should be banned from playing a socialite character? If not, then you NEED a ruleset to govern the role-playing aspects of the game. If you do, it's not the kind of game I'd like to participate in. Next, you'd be asking players of rogue characters to "role play" climbing a 100' tall cliff...



We called them "Meat Shields, casters, Healer and FART's (find and remove traps :) )


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 Post subject: Re: PH series 3 definitly cancelled...DDM going back to blind?
PostPosted: 01/22/10 1:37:51 pm 
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Sammael wrote:
I never called 4e WoW. However, one of my players, who is an avid WoW player with lots of maxed out characters, guild involvement, and who participates in massive raids, says that 4e is a lot like WoW.

I never heard the four groups called that before the advent of MMORPGs. None of the DMs I played under used that terminology, and it was not a given that fighter was just going to sit and soak damage directed at the mage, while the thief sneaks around and deals lots and lots of DPS. Either we were more creative than normal, or the terminology (and style of play) wasn't as widespread as you think.

Re: ROLE playing. Do you think a player who has no social skills whatsoever should be banned from playing a socialite character? If not, then you NEED a ruleset to govern the role-playing aspects of the game. If you do, it's not the kind of game I'd like to participate in. Next, you'd be asking players of rogue characters to "role play" climbing a 100' tall cliff...


And I have a friend who finds it a lot like Final Fantasy Tactics. I myself find it has a lot in common with Disgaea, Final Fantasy Tactics, Journey to the West, and pretty much every turn-based, square-map based strategy game I've ever played if I want to go to video games. Outside of video games it reminds me of 3.x when I'm doing combat. It feels like any of these when I'm doing combat. I've played MMOs and I've been on raids with 48+ people and it is NOTHING like playing 4e. I can't imagine needing 48 players to finish a dungeon or having to stare past piles of cluttered polygons infront of my vision and reams of text flying through a dialog box to figure out what's going on. WTF?!? For that matter we have actual Role-Playing in between in my games. I have not seen this in MMOs, it's why they bore the living **** out of me. And as a final thank god, no one has ever been playing in my 4e games while having a noisy session witht he porceline throne, which is unfortunately common from what my friends who stuck with MMOs tell me.

4e, not at all like an MMO, unless your ability to compare things is on the scale of "Eating a hotdog, that's just like being mounted and s****** by a horse cus in both cases, you have horse in you." Pretty longshot way of comparing things if you ask me, also not very accurate. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: PH series 3 definitly cancelled...DDM going back to blind?
PostPosted: 01/22/10 1:49:42 pm 
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But didn't you know that 4E has rules specifically prohibiting roleplay? it's true! In the first page of the DMG, it says, "Roleplay should be discouraged."





...no, it doesn't. But they'll believe it on maxminis!


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 Post subject: Re: PH series 3 definitly cancelled...DDM going back to blind?
PostPosted: 01/22/10 2:03:38 pm 
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Ridureyu wrote:
they'll believe it on maxminis!


And many other gaming forums for that matter. :looloo:

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 Post subject: Re: PH series 3 definitly cancelled...DDM going back to blind?
PostPosted: 01/22/10 3:59:45 pm 
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Ridureyu wrote:
But didn't you know that 4E has rules specifically prohibiting roleplay? it's true! In the first page of the DMG, it says, "Roleplay should be discouraged."


Ah-ha!

Now we have proof!!!

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 Post subject: Re: PH series 3 definitly cancelled...DDM going back to blind?
PostPosted: 01/22/10 6:37:02 pm 
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I can never tell when Harn is joking or just being really, really dense :D


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